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	<title>Comments on: Should We Adopt a National Sin Tax on Junk Food to Reduce Obesity Epidemic?</title>
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		<title>By: Matt SF</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt SF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jerry. It&#039;s not popular idea by any means, but I think you&#039;re correct since medication prolongs life when simple lifestyle choices/modifications could generate far larger bang for the buck.

Of course, that&#039;s the hard sale to make considering no one wants to change their behavior when modern medicine is &quot;supposed&quot; to do all the work for us. 

I also agree that a small tax like 3% wouldn&#039;t affect consumption over the long term. Sure, a few folks may protest on principle, but if they&#039;re addicts, they&#039;ll revert back to their modus operandi. 

Whatever the outcome, it will be fun to watch because I really do believe that soda is the &quot;new tobacco&quot; and the debate is far from over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jerry. It&#8217;s not popular idea by any means, but I think you&#8217;re correct since medication prolongs life when simple lifestyle choices/modifications could generate far larger bang for the buck.</p>
<p>Of course, that&#8217;s the hard sale to make considering no one wants to change their behavior when modern medicine is &#8220;supposed&#8221; to do all the work for us. </p>
<p>I also agree that a small tax like 3% wouldn&#8217;t affect consumption over the long term. Sure, a few folks may protest on principle, but if they&#8217;re addicts, they&#8217;ll revert back to their modus operandi. </p>
<p>Whatever the outcome, it will be fun to watch because I really do believe that soda is the &#8220;new tobacco&#8221; and the debate is far from over.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the proposal Matt. I would go for 3% minimum for the simple reason that medical technology will find ways of keeping even the morbidly obese with significant health issues alive even longer.  I also don&#039;t see any reduced consumption/demand as a result, but we may get closer to a break even in increased medical costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the proposal Matt. I would go for 3% minimum for the simple reason that medical technology will find ways of keeping even the morbidly obese with significant health issues alive even longer.  I also don&#8217;t see any reduced consumption/demand as a result, but we may get closer to a break even in increased medical costs.</p>
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		<title>By: O&#8217;Reilly Wonders if Pitching In to Help the Uninsured and Poor is &#34;Worth the Toll&#34; - Fox News Watchdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>O&#8217;Reilly Wonders if Pitching In to Help the Uninsured and Poor is &#34;Worth the Toll&#34; - Fox News Watchdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] NY Times). Cigarettes and alcohol have already been hit with &#8220;sin taxes.&#8221; As noted by Steadfast Finances, &#8220;. . . [W]hy should junk food be any different? It’s well known that sugar stuffed goodies [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] NY Times). Cigarettes and alcohol have already been hit with &#8220;sin taxes.&#8221; As noted by Steadfast Finances, &#8220;. . . [W]hy should junk food be any different? It’s well known that sugar stuffed goodies [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt SF</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt SF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jeff. It&#039;s not the best or efficient way since everything in moderation is my favorite argument (still love my junk food), but as you said, is a good place to start. I think the main selling point is to make the tax very small unlike the cigarette tax. Considering the sheer volume of junk food sold in the U.S., one could raise a lot of funds rather quickly for research/medical expenses by just adding 1 penny to the dollar. 

Of course, the problem is keeping the bureaucrats hands off it and make sure it goes to the proper places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jeff. It&#8217;s not the best or efficient way since everything in moderation is my favorite argument (still love my junk food), but as you said, is a good place to start. I think the main selling point is to make the tax very small unlike the cigarette tax. Considering the sheer volume of junk food sold in the U.S., one could raise a lot of funds rather quickly for research/medical expenses by just adding 1 penny to the dollar. </p>
<p>Of course, the problem is keeping the bureaucrats hands off it and make sure it goes to the proper places.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting topic. The amount of &quot;junk, trash, unhealthy&quot; things available to us is astounding. To be able to tax all of these things to the extent of recouping revenue to aid in the care and treatment of these individuals ailments would be a start. Let me see if I can remember one important quote from the past, aw yes here it is &quot;you can&#039;t fix ******&quot; well you get the picture. Some people will not change bad habits and frankly, they outnumber those who will.
Great post!!!!
.-= Jeff S.´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://mymotivationtoday.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/are-you-missing-your-opportunities/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Are you missing your opportunities?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting topic. The amount of &#8220;junk, trash, unhealthy&#8221; things available to us is astounding. To be able to tax all of these things to the extent of recouping revenue to aid in the care and treatment of these individuals ailments would be a start. Let me see if I can remember one important quote from the past, aw yes here it is &#8220;you can&#8217;t fix ******&#8221; well you get the picture. Some people will not change bad habits and frankly, they outnumber those who will.<br />
Great post!!!!<br />
.-= Jeff S.´s last blog ..<a href="http://mymotivationtoday.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/are-you-missing-your-opportunities/" rel="nofollow">Are you missing your opportunities?</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt SF</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt SF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 04:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, I&#039;ve been more than nice in my two responses and I&#039;m censoring my usual tough love attitude far more than normal because you&#039;re obviously hyper sensitive about the issue.

But &lt;strong&gt;calling me a liar and insulting my family&lt;/strong&gt; is way outside of the normal boundaries of blogging etiquette. 

You&#039;re 40 years old, not 4. So leave the temper tantrum in the playpen. 

Had I been any other blogger, I would have deleted your comments immediately for inappropriate behavior, as well as hijacking a comments section based on sin taxes. Your comments were never about staying taxation, but more to discuss your sad/desperate plea to rally support for your near delusional belief that it&#039;s perfectly acceptable to be a 40 year old female weighing 350 pounds. 

There are plenty of bloggers who have struggled to keep off the weight, and if you ask around, I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll find them. JD at Get Rich Slowly is the first that comes to mind. Last I checked, he&#039;s walking full marathons to stay fit. He lost the weight by cutting out the snacks, and busting his hump to burn off the weight, and but more importantly, he changed his eating behaviors to keep the weight off long term.

So instead of being so rude and sarcastic with the &quot;&lt;em&gt;genetic abnormality&lt;/em&gt;&quot; and &quot;&lt;em&gt;Today Show&lt;/em&gt;&quot; spiteful comments just because you&#039;ve got a &quot;&lt;em&gt;chip on my shoulder the size of the Rocky Mountains about it&lt;/em&gt;&quot;, perhaps you would consider that real people actually put in the work everyday to:

1) do real exercise everyday
2) use self control to back away from the table
3) modify their eating behaviors to curb their cravings
4) adjust their diets according to their weight loss or weight neutral goals

FYI: I&#039;ve also deleted your ability to comment on this blog without prior approval. If you wish to have it reinstated, my private email is available in the contact me tab at the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, I&#8217;ve been more than nice in my two responses and I&#8217;m censoring my usual tough love attitude far more than normal because you&#8217;re obviously hyper sensitive about the issue.</p>
<p>But <strong>calling me a liar and insulting my family</strong> is way outside of the normal boundaries of blogging etiquette. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re 40 years old, not 4. So leave the temper tantrum in the playpen. </p>
<p>Had I been any other blogger, I would have deleted your comments immediately for inappropriate behavior, as well as hijacking a comments section based on sin taxes. Your comments were never about staying taxation, but more to discuss your sad/desperate plea to rally support for your near delusional belief that it&#8217;s perfectly acceptable to be a 40 year old female weighing 350 pounds. </p>
<p>There are plenty of bloggers who have struggled to keep off the weight, and if you ask around, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll find them. JD at Get Rich Slowly is the first that comes to mind. Last I checked, he&#8217;s walking full marathons to stay fit. He lost the weight by cutting out the snacks, and busting his hump to burn off the weight, and but more importantly, he changed his eating behaviors to keep the weight off long term.</p>
<p>So instead of being so rude and sarcastic with the &#8220;<em>genetic abnormality</em>&#8221; and &#8220;<em>Today Show</em>&#8221; spiteful comments just because you&#8217;ve got a &#8220;<em>chip on my shoulder the size of the Rocky Mountains about it</em>&#8220;, perhaps you would consider that real people actually put in the work everyday to:</p>
<p>1) do real exercise everyday<br />
2) use self control to back away from the table<br />
3) modify their eating behaviors to curb their cravings<br />
4) adjust their diets according to their weight loss or weight neutral goals</p>
<p>FYI: I&#8217;ve also deleted your ability to comment on this blog without prior approval. If you wish to have it reinstated, my private email is available in the contact me tab at the top.</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal Fatty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal Fatty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m upset about exactly what I&#039;m talking about - and I won&#039;t argue that I&#039;ve got a chip on my shoulder the size of the Rocky Mountains about it. It struck a chord to see it - yet again - in a place I felt safe from this kind of discrimination (the frugal living blogosphere).

And, I&#039;m sorry, I wouldn&#039;t normally call anyone out like this, particularly on their own blog - but you are either lying about your family&#039;s astounding ability to lose weight and keep it off, or you have some absolutely amazing genetic thing going on that is to be envied beyond belief. Like, should be featured on &quot;Good Morning, America!&quot; amazing. Or the Today Show, at the very least.

I realize, too, that it is very difficult to have something that you believe to your core to be challenged in such a way - kinda like when you run into a spendthrift who doesn&#039;t believe he can have a savings account, innit?

Best to you and yours on the holiday weekend as well. I hope you&#039;ll at least do some research and look up the actual statistics regarding obesity and health. If you want study/journal names, let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m upset about exactly what I&#8217;m talking about &#8211; and I won&#8217;t argue that I&#8217;ve got a chip on my shoulder the size of the Rocky Mountains about it. It struck a chord to see it &#8211; yet again &#8211; in a place I felt safe from this kind of discrimination (the frugal living blogosphere).</p>
<p>And, I&#8217;m sorry, I wouldn&#8217;t normally call anyone out like this, particularly on their own blog &#8211; but you are either lying about your family&#8217;s astounding ability to lose weight and keep it off, or you have some absolutely amazing genetic thing going on that is to be envied beyond belief. Like, should be featured on &#8220;Good Morning, America!&#8221; amazing. Or the Today Show, at the very least.</p>
<p>I realize, too, that it is very difficult to have something that you believe to your core to be challenged in such a way &#8211; kinda like when you run into a spendthrift who doesn&#8217;t believe he can have a savings account, innit?</p>
<p>Best to you and yours on the holiday weekend as well. I hope you&#8217;ll at least do some research and look up the actual statistics regarding obesity and health. If you want study/journal names, let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt SF</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt SF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Likewise on the anticipated response. Rationalize your argument however you like, but you&#039;re clearly upset about something else and it&#039;s spilling out onto my blog. 

Who actually takes the time to write a 500+ word comment unless they&#039;ve got a chip on their shoulder? So have the good nature to take out your frustrations to a forum somewhere else because I refuse to let you hijack the comment section just because your feelings are hurt. 

And as for &quot;&lt;em&gt;the fact that any fool who has been on a diet can tell you that they don&#039;t work. It is the ultra-rare person who loses weight and keeps it off&lt;/em&gt;.&quot; 

Me, grandmother, mother, two cousins. That&#039;s one hand. Once we changed our eating behavior, keeping the weight off was easy. 

Enjoy the rest of your holiday weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Likewise on the anticipated response. Rationalize your argument however you like, but you&#8217;re clearly upset about something else and it&#8217;s spilling out onto my blog. </p>
<p>Who actually takes the time to write a 500+ word comment unless they&#8217;ve got a chip on their shoulder? So have the good nature to take out your frustrations to a forum somewhere else because I refuse to let you hijack the comment section just because your feelings are hurt. </p>
<p>And as for &#8220;<em>the fact that any fool who has been on a diet can tell you that they don&#8217;t work. It is the ultra-rare person who loses weight and keeps it off</em>.&#8221; </p>
<p>Me, grandmother, mother, two cousins. That&#8217;s one hand. Once we changed our eating behavior, keeping the weight off was easy. </p>
<p>Enjoy the rest of your holiday weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal Fatty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal Fatty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah...precisely the response I expected.

What I would suggest is that you, sir, READ the actual studies from which the data &quot;proving&quot; the life threatening nature of obesity is taken. What you will find (if you actual do this, which I&#039;m 100% certain you will not) is that the overall data within said studies does not prove that theory - it only &quot;proves&quot; it when you select certain data and exclude other data from within the same study.

And yes, medical science is extending our lives, but if you apply logic to the issue it stands to reason that IF we are getting fatter and IF being fat shortens your life THEN our combined life spans should either be stalling or getting shorter. There&#039;s no way around it. Regardless of advances in medical science.

I find it truly hysterical that you mention a &quot;treatment&quot; for &quot;morbid obesity.&quot; Really! Hysterical! I mean, gut-bustingly funny! Because I&#039;m morbidly obese, as was established in my first post. Also healthy as can be. So what would I be treating, exactly? What medical condition would I be improving by losing weight? Blood sugar levels have been great for years, even through 2 pregnancies. Ditto blood pressure and cholesterol - which, at age 40, just this year has &#039;spiked&#039; into the high-normal range. And my joints feel better and work better than they did when I was a gangly teen who weighed half what I do now.

What we need to do in the health care system is remove obesity altogether as a &quot;diagnosis&quot;. Because it serves no one and no purpose other than to shame people regarding their size AND further line the pockets of weight loss industry - this despite the fact that any fool who has been on a diet can tell you that they don&#039;t work. It is the ultra-rare person who loses weight and keeps it off. I mean, really. I bet you couldn&#039;t count on one hand the number of people you personally know who lost more than 20 pounds and kept it off for more than 3 years. Even fewer who kept it off for 10 years - and that includes those who underwent the butchery known as &quot;weight loss surgery&quot;.

I understand that it makes part of the population feel morally superior to be able to point at people like me or your fat neighbor and accuse us of draining resources that would otherwise go to what they would deem as more deserving people but how about instead we all look beyond the fat and see the person? Or, if that person is ill, the affliction? Why? Because it is FAR easier to take one look at the fatty and, if he has heart disease, say that it is his own damn fault for being fat. While his thin brother, also with heart disease, gets a free pass. So Brother #1 is told to lose weight, while Brother #2 gets medication and surgical treatment without argument from anyone. So when Brother #1 dies, why do people say he died? Because he was fat. When he really died because of untreated heart disease.

As the old adage goes: Things are not always as they appear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah&#8230;precisely the response I expected.</p>
<p>What I would suggest is that you, sir, READ the actual studies from which the data &#8220;proving&#8221; the life threatening nature of obesity is taken. What you will find (if you actual do this, which I&#8217;m 100% certain you will not) is that the overall data within said studies does not prove that theory &#8211; it only &#8220;proves&#8221; it when you select certain data and exclude other data from within the same study.</p>
<p>And yes, medical science is extending our lives, but if you apply logic to the issue it stands to reason that IF we are getting fatter and IF being fat shortens your life THEN our combined life spans should either be stalling or getting shorter. There&#8217;s no way around it. Regardless of advances in medical science.</p>
<p>I find it truly hysterical that you mention a &#8220;treatment&#8221; for &#8220;morbid obesity.&#8221; Really! Hysterical! I mean, gut-bustingly funny! Because I&#8217;m morbidly obese, as was established in my first post. Also healthy as can be. So what would I be treating, exactly? What medical condition would I be improving by losing weight? Blood sugar levels have been great for years, even through 2 pregnancies. Ditto blood pressure and cholesterol &#8211; which, at age 40, just this year has &#8217;spiked&#8217; into the high-normal range. And my joints feel better and work better than they did when I was a gangly teen who weighed half what I do now.</p>
<p>What we need to do in the health care system is remove obesity altogether as a &#8220;diagnosis&#8221;. Because it serves no one and no purpose other than to shame people regarding their size AND further line the pockets of weight loss industry &#8211; this despite the fact that any fool who has been on a diet can tell you that they don&#8217;t work. It is the ultra-rare person who loses weight and keeps it off. I mean, really. I bet you couldn&#8217;t count on one hand the number of people you personally know who lost more than 20 pounds and kept it off for more than 3 years. Even fewer who kept it off for 10 years &#8211; and that includes those who underwent the butchery known as &#8220;weight loss surgery&#8221;.</p>
<p>I understand that it makes part of the population feel morally superior to be able to point at people like me or your fat neighbor and accuse us of draining resources that would otherwise go to what they would deem as more deserving people but how about instead we all look beyond the fat and see the person? Or, if that person is ill, the affliction? Why? Because it is FAR easier to take one look at the fatty and, if he has heart disease, say that it is his own damn fault for being fat. While his thin brother, also with heart disease, gets a free pass. So Brother #1 is told to lose weight, while Brother #2 gets medication and surgical treatment without argument from anyone. So when Brother #1 dies, why do people say he died? Because he was fat. When he really died because of untreated heart disease.</p>
<p>As the old adage goes: Things are not always as they appear.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt SF</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt SF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think thou doth protest too much. 
 
My intent wasn&#039;t to offend -- just say what many people are thinking. If you took it that way, it could be due to your above average sensitivity to the subject matter considering the tone of your comment portraying yourself as an &quot;evil slob&quot;. 
 
This wasn&#039;t intended to be an article submission to Nature or MMWR on the obesity trends of America. You can try to pick apart the science by downplaying the MSNBC videos, but just go to any widely accepted medical community you like and try to disprove that obesity is (and will continue to be) a life-shortening medical condition.
 
If you still don&#039;t believe it, then may I suggest you write a grant, design your own study, and present the findings to disprove the CDC, AMA, NIH, and or any other globally recognized medical organization.
 
Fact is, the obese are living longer (and the non-obese alike) due to advances in medical technology and modern pharmacology for the express purpose of extending life beyond normal parameters. So I wouldn&#039;t rest your entire argument of &quot;being fat isn&#039;t a death sentence&quot; when one of the first treatments for morbid obesity is losing weight. 
 
As the old adage goes: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think thou doth protest too much. </p>
<p>My intent wasn&#8217;t to offend &#8212; just say what many people are thinking. If you took it that way, it could be due to your above average sensitivity to the subject matter considering the tone of your comment portraying yourself as an &#8220;evil slob&#8221;. </p>
<p>This wasn&#8217;t intended to be an article submission to Nature or MMWR on the obesity trends of America. You can try to pick apart the science by downplaying the MSNBC videos, but just go to any widely accepted medical community you like and try to disprove that obesity is (and will continue to be) a life-shortening medical condition.</p>
<p>If you still don&#8217;t believe it, then may I suggest you write a grant, design your own study, and present the findings to disprove the CDC, AMA, NIH, and or any other globally recognized medical organization.</p>
<p>Fact is, the obese are living longer (and the non-obese alike) due to advances in medical technology and modern pharmacology for the express purpose of extending life beyond normal parameters. So I wouldn&#8217;t rest your entire argument of &#8220;being fat isn&#8217;t a death sentence&#8221; when one of the first treatments for morbid obesity is losing weight. </p>
<p>As the old adage goes: an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal Fatty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal Fatty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 02:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s difficult to type this with a steady head and hand because I found your post so sad and hurtful - not to mention lacking in any real scientific back up.

I&#039;ll start by saying I am a morbidly obese woman, 6 feet tall and 350 pounds. I&#039;m also very healthy, with normal blood pressure, normal blood sugar, and high-normal cholesterol. Aside from scheduled visits for the birth control shot, I&#039;ve seen my doctor less than once per year on average during my entire adult life.

It really ticks me off that people like you and, apparently, many who read your blog would take one look at me and assume that I&#039;m a drain on healthcare. It further ticks me off that people who make posts like yours lamenting about how all the fatties are slurping up tax dollars like milkshakes at Sonic fail to notice things like the fact that while we&#039;ve been getting fatter and fatter as a nation, we&#039;ve also been living longer and longer. Or that, when you actually look at the hard data (and don&#039;t rely on sound bites distributed to MSNBC via weight loss clinic &quot;scientific studies&quot;) you see that fat is not a death sentence, and that we fatties tend to live just as long and just as productively as you normal-weighters.

You might also consider that type II diabetes can actually LEAD to weight gain - people often go undiagnosed for years while they gain weight as a result of the disease, so that by the time they are diagnosed all anyone sees is THE FAT and therefore assume that the fat caused the diabetes rather than the other way around. Cut your disabled neighbor a little slack, unless you&#039;ve been privy to his medical records for the past 20 years and know this to not be the case.

Having said all of that, I will also say that I suppose I would support a tax on junk food, but for reasons other than your own. Which are, namely, that they are (and/or should be) considered a luxury item - a completely unnecessary frivolity.

I rarely buy them because they are a poor value and I would much rather have some hearty beans and rice or homemade corn bread or something else far better tasting and much cheaper. Shocking, I know - a fatty who doesn&#039;t munch down doritos &amp; coke for breakfast! Pick yourself up off the floor, there&#039;s more of us out there (that is, health conscious, frugal minded, &amp; extraordinarily obese people) than you think.

And thanks to FS &amp; MLR for supporting the idea that fatties aren&#039;t all evil slobs. Much appreciated.

Sign me -

The Frugal FATTY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s difficult to type this with a steady head and hand because I found your post so sad and hurtful &#8211; not to mention lacking in any real scientific back up.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll start by saying I am a morbidly obese woman, 6 feet tall and 350 pounds. I&#8217;m also very healthy, with normal blood pressure, normal blood sugar, and high-normal cholesterol. Aside from scheduled visits for the birth control shot, I&#8217;ve seen my doctor less than once per year on average during my entire adult life.</p>
<p>It really ticks me off that people like you and, apparently, many who read your blog would take one look at me and assume that I&#8217;m a drain on healthcare. It further ticks me off that people who make posts like yours lamenting about how all the fatties are slurping up tax dollars like milkshakes at Sonic fail to notice things like the fact that while we&#8217;ve been getting fatter and fatter as a nation, we&#8217;ve also been living longer and longer. Or that, when you actually look at the hard data (and don&#8217;t rely on sound bites distributed to MSNBC via weight loss clinic &#8220;scientific studies&#8221;) you see that fat is not a death sentence, and that we fatties tend to live just as long and just as productively as you normal-weighters.</p>
<p>You might also consider that type II diabetes can actually LEAD to weight gain &#8211; people often go undiagnosed for years while they gain weight as a result of the disease, so that by the time they are diagnosed all anyone sees is THE FAT and therefore assume that the fat caused the diabetes rather than the other way around. Cut your disabled neighbor a little slack, unless you&#8217;ve been privy to his medical records for the past 20 years and know this to not be the case.</p>
<p>Having said all of that, I will also say that I suppose I would support a tax on junk food, but for reasons other than your own. Which are, namely, that they are (and/or should be) considered a luxury item &#8211; a completely unnecessary frivolity.</p>
<p>I rarely buy them because they are a poor value and I would much rather have some hearty beans and rice or homemade corn bread or something else far better tasting and much cheaper. Shocking, I know &#8211; a fatty who doesn&#8217;t munch down doritos &amp; coke for breakfast! Pick yourself up off the floor, there&#8217;s more of us out there (that is, health conscious, frugal minded, &amp; extraordinarily obese people) than you think.</p>
<p>And thanks to FS &amp; MLR for supporting the idea that fatties aren&#8217;t all evil slobs. Much appreciated.</p>
<p>Sign me -</p>
<p>The Frugal FATTY</p>
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		<title>By: foxfire</title>
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		<dc:creator>foxfire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say no. I find junk food to be one of those legal crimes which I can enjoy every once in a while. I am already paying a higher price by damaging my health and ultimately paying more for health services. The government always tries to make everything that is good either illegal or so expensive that it is inaccessible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say no. I find junk food to be one of those legal crimes which I can enjoy every once in a while. I am already paying a higher price by damaging my health and ultimately paying more for health services. The government always tries to make everything that is good either illegal or so expensive that it is inaccessible.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt SF</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt SF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That works, too! I was hating life right around my 90th push up today!!! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That works, too! I was hating life right around my 90th push up today!!! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Financial Samurai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool.  Perhaps.  I think fit people just like to make fun of unfit people b/c fit people are bitter they have to work out and suffer and less fit people don&#039;t care and spend their time doing more interesting things!  

How&#039;s that for a hypothesis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool.  Perhaps.  I think fit people just like to make fun of unfit people b/c fit people are bitter they have to work out and suffer and less fit people don&#8217;t care and spend their time doing more interesting things!  </p>
<p>How&#8217;s that for a hypothesis?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt SF</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt SF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Financial Samurai

I really think the anger generated against the obese is due to the recession. Since the obese fit the stereotypical model of over consumption, they&#039;ve become an easy target.

Here&#039;s an example: let&#039;s say you have a 40 year old, 300+ pound neighbor living down the street. He has late onset adult diabetes (Type II), and drinks a 24 pack of soda every week. Then, one day, you notice he&#039;s got a new handicapped sticker on his SUV. When asked why the sticker, he replies because of his weight. (&lt;em&gt;I know a person such as this.&lt;/em&gt;)

Personally, I would feel kinda sad since he&#039;s let himself deteriorate to the Nth degree, but also feel a little angry since his poor habits might be taking the parking spot of a veteran with an artificial leg.

As I said in the article, I don&#039;t think a severe tax on soda is a smart idea. But, a 2 cent tax per can would hardly impact consumption at all (a purely unscientific guess) after you consider the volume of soda sold in the US. Then use it to help fund diabetes research or pay for obesity related illnesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Financial Samurai</p>
<p>I really think the anger generated against the obese is due to the recession. Since the obese fit the stereotypical model of over consumption, they&#8217;ve become an easy target.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an example: let&#8217;s say you have a 40 year old, 300+ pound neighbor living down the street. He has late onset adult diabetes (Type II), and drinks a 24 pack of soda every week. Then, one day, you notice he&#8217;s got a new handicapped sticker on his SUV. When asked why the sticker, he replies because of his weight. (<em>I know a person such as this.</em>)</p>
<p>Personally, I would feel kinda sad since he&#8217;s let himself deteriorate to the Nth degree, but also feel a little angry since his poor habits might be taking the parking spot of a veteran with an artificial leg.</p>
<p>As I said in the article, I don&#8217;t think a severe tax on soda is a smart idea. But, a 2 cent tax per can would hardly impact consumption at all (a purely unscientific guess) after you consider the volume of soda sold in the US. Then use it to help fund diabetes research or pay for obesity related illnesses.</p>
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